All eyes are on Christopher Dorner the fired LAPD officer who is the subject on a massive manhunt that involves more than 1000 cops up and down the state of California and in Nevada. He’s accused of gunning down three people including Monica Quan, a popular basketball coach and the daughter of a former LAPD captain and her fiance Keith Lawrence who is described as mentor to many and recently graduated from a police academy. ..
Dorner’s also accused of shooting 3 police officers killing one in Riverside California…In an 11 page manifesto that he posted on-line, Dorner lays out the reasons he’s on the rampage and why he’s down to take out his fellow officers and their family members. He feels they are racist, unfair and done him dirty by tarnishing his name and reputation. In this manifesto which is an epic read, he describes in great detail a department that is corrupt and more violent than the streets he was assigned to patrol…No matter how this turns out all of us should be asking a whole lot of questions and not resting until we get solid answers..You can read an uncensored copy of that manifesto HERE
Mainstream Media Coverage-Who Do they Work For?
Let’s start with media coverage? Does the media work for the people with the goal of getting the truth out or do they work for the police? I was surprised when media outlet after media outlet printed the Manifesto written by Dorner with all the names erased. The rationale was that they didn’t want to endanger the lives of police officers by printing their names because Dorner was targeting them.. Let’s say we buy that argument… Does that policy extend to other areas and to other citizens? After all, we live in an era where we’ve seen media become more paparazzi-like and go on all out crusades publishing people’s names addresses etc, invading folks privacy and sparking controversy to push a particular cause under the guise they are ‘just reporting the story‘. It hasn’t seem to matter what impact it had on those they highlighted. But in this instance a document that already been seen by thousands, they erased the names. Are such decisions made case by case by media outlets or only with the police?
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck
Since many in the media opted to take out the names leaving many in the dark about who may or may not have done any wrong doing as alleged in the in the manifesto, one might ask, were those same outlets going to follow-up with any sort of investigative reporting? When I hear reporters state the manifesto is nothing but a bunch of rambling, are we to assume they checked out everything that Dorner referenced and concluded it was false?
Yesterday former LA deputy prosecutor Robin Sax noted that while we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that Christopher Dorner committed some heinous crimes, we should not ignore the cases and incidents he sites in the Manifesto or the corruption he says exists in within LAPD..
Sax who appeared on yesterday on Fox 11 in LA, noted that many of the incidents detailed may in fact be true and we should check them out.. From a journalistic point of view we should follow-up. People working in the police department should follow-up if for any reason, to avoid having another officer snap and go off because of how incidents were handled or mis-handled. If there’s any truth to Dorner’s allegations of corruption, LAPD should go all out to clean it up and in a very public and transparent way.. We can’t simply take LAPD Chief Charlie Beck‘s words of dismal during yesterday’s press conference, where he said the manifesto was a ‘bunch of ramblings on the internet’..
What Dorner wrote can’t be that much of a ramble, because beck and law enforcement all over the state read that manifesto and saw it credible enough to send more than 40 security squads to protect the officers and the families mentioned in the document. If we can find the threats credible, then perhaps some of those allegations of corruption and wrong doing are just as credible.
Here the Link...Legal Documents Filed by Christopher Dorner Challenging LAPD..
Questions Raised by Dorner’s Manifesto
Christopher Dorner
Based upon that Manifesto we should be asking why Dorner was said to be lying on his supervising officer Sgt Teresa Evans when legal documents show that the victim, Christopher Gettler and his father gave similar accounts as Dorner? Was it true that there were conflicts of interests during his BOR (Board of Rights) Hearings in terms of the Sgt Evans being close friends and former partners to BOR members who voted to terminate Dorner? Was it true Sgt Evans has a history of violence? Did she really brutalize an elderly woman as pointed out in the manifesto? Why would we not check out this information?
Answering such questions is not to somehow vindicate or give Dorner a pass for any wrong doings especially if he murdered several people. Its to make sure folks who receive our hard-earned tax dollars are conducting themselves in a fair, just and uncorrupted way.
Was it true that academy recruits were singing Nazi songs to a fellow recruit Abraham Schefres and Dorner stood up for him? Are these recruits now officers working the streets of LA? If so how is that? why is that? Should we not check this out?
What about the confrontation Dorner had involving two officers Hermilio Buridios IV and Marlon Magana? According to the manifesto he grabbed Buridios around the neck because they insisted on referring to Black people as Nigger in spite Dorner’s objections. These officers are currently LAPD Officers. What was once dismissed as ‘hearsay’ has since been confirmed by a supervising officer who was present at the time. He did an interview with local Fox 11 in LA.. He said Dorner shouldn’t have grabbed the officer..
For many of us, hearing that these two men are officers is beyond disturbing especially when you consider the tens of millions LAPD has had to shell out in police brutality settlements that were rooted in racially charged incidents, one would think there would be zero tolerance to this..This story should be checked out.. Questions should be answered about how they feel and how they behave..
Police man’s Bill Of Rights
Now before folks start drawing conclusions, you should know something about California law and why these incidents are important. Police officers in California have what is known as the Police Man’s bill of Rights. many of us who worked on or followed the Oscar Grant case found out the hard way how this law totally insulates police officers. The public has no access to their files even during a trial.. Yes you read the right. The public access to these personnel files so we have no idea what sort of checkered past an officer has.
Johannes Mehserle
In writing this story I checked with Uncle Bobby (Cephus Johnson) , the uncle to Oscar Grant, the young man who was unarmed and shot point-blank in the back my BART officer Johannes Mehserle as he lay restrained on a subway platform in January 2009. Johnson explained, that during the trial they discovered that Mehserle had incidents of excessive violence in the past, but it was not allowed into the trial before the jury because of the policeman’s bill of rights..His record as well as the record of other police officers in California are shielded. last year even tighter restrictions were put on public’s access to officer records as, their names and addresses are removed from all public data bases.
So to get names dates, times and places in this manifesto is important, especially if they check out to be true. It raises important questions as to who is patrolling our streets and why.
In the manifesto Dorner notes that many of officers who were problematic in terms of racial intolerance during the Rodney King days and even during the Rampart scandal, have been promoted.. That should be investigated with us all asking the question as to how and why?
Innocent people Shot By Frenzied Police
Moving beyond the Manifesto, all of us should be asking hard questions about the 3 innocent people shot by LAPD and Torrance police in what police describe as ‘accidental’ and mistaken identity’. Maggie Carranza, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez were initially described as two elderly Asian women… We now know they were Latino, and in the wee hours of Thursday morning they were driving a bright blue pick up truck delivering news papers as they always done..Keep in mind, the truck Dorner was driving was grey.
Undercover police claim the women had no lights on and thus they thought the truck was being driven by Dorner. The women weren’t told to pull over, show ID or given any sort of commands.. Instead the police administered what one witness/ neighbor who was interviewed described as ‘street justice‘.. The mother, Emma Hernadez was shot in the back. Her daughter was shot in the hand.. Take a look at the photo and you can see the car riddled with at least 20 bullet holes.. How and why did that happen?
From another angle one might ask how did these officers shoot so many times and the target is still alive? Were they shooting to kill because they thought Dorner was in the truck. How did they only hit these two women twice?
We need to be asking questions about the man who was shot by Torrance police. He too was driving a pick up truck when he came upon LAPD officers who directed him to turn his truck around. he complied and as he drove he came upon Torrance officers who thought this man who was described as a white male was Dorner. They rammed his truck and started shooting..Fortunately the man in spite being shot was not hurt according to police. They have not identified the man and the owner of the truck Lizette Perdue refused to talk with reporters about who was driving the truck.
Lots and lots of questions should be raised about this? Of course the Policeman’s Bill of Rights will prevent us from finding out what sort of records the officers involved in these shootings have..
For folks living in the inner cities of LA populated with Black and Brown folks such scenarios of police shooting first and asking questions later are not uncommon. LAPD has long had a reputation of shoot first ask questions later, leaving victims to fend for themselves as the media would quickly rush to the support the story given by the police. Had it not been for a massive man-hunt with so much attention on every move police were doing, these incidents might have been buried with us hearing some crazy story about how the two women or the man were ‘gang members’ who tried to attack the police.. You can how LAPD already attempted to spin this by saying the women were driving with their lights off.. Who delivers newspapers in the dark? Having been a delivery boy myself once upon a time, you have to at least keep your flashers on.. These incidents are shady and should not disappear in all the hoopla around capturing Dorner.
More Questions Raised
Although not directly related to Dorner, but related to the issue of corruption, are the seven LA sheriff deputies who were released the other day for being members of gang formed within the department called the Jump Out Boys. These were officers who wore similar tats and basically operated like a gang relishing in how many Black and Latinos people they’ve shot..I know this may sound far-fetched. There’s a ton of information on gangs or social clubs existing within Southern Cali police departments.. You can read about the Jump Out Boys HERE.. When you read the manifesto where Dorner says how violent it is within the department and take into account this recent discovery of the Jump Out Boys, we have to ask the question what sort of police culture are we dealing with in Southern california?
Christopher Dorner w/ Chief William Bratton
Lastly we need to be asking questions about Chief William Bratton who is shown shaking hands with Dorner. In his interview with Anderson Cooper on CNN, Bratton who is widely credited with cleaning up LAPD in the aftermath of the Rampart Scandal, said he didn’t recall meeting Dorner. Many of us find that hard to believe, but we’ll give a seasoned officer who trains police all over the world on how to be to improve their security, to not remember a guy like Dorner.
During the interview Chief Bratton spoke about a coin that was riddled with bullet holes that Dorner had sent to Anderson Cooper. Included with that coin was a hand written note to Bratton that read, ‘Thanks but No Thanks‘. Bratton said that Dorner was angry with him because he had to sign off on him being fired from LAPD..
He noted that the coin was a special personalized coin of courage that he personally gave to officers who were deployed for war, which was the case with Dorner.. Bratton said he didn’t recall Bratton, and many of us asked; ‘How many of those special coins did Bratton give out to officers that he didn’t remember a big guy like that?’ But be as that may, the larger question we need to be concerned about is how much corruption did Bratton really clean up within LAPD? If these stories laid out by Dorner check out, then Bratton has some explaining to do, because what Dorner is talking about happened on his watch..
With the world watching, this is an opportunity to make sure we push for changes within a department that seems troubled. Amd not just LAPD, law enforcement in that region overall. The fact that we had 3 innocent people shot and a complicit media telling folks to not drive pick up trucks vs asking why cops are going buckwhyld on citizens they are supposed to serve and protect should be enough of a wake up call.
In terms of Christopher Dorner..I was asked if he was a hero. he ceased to be hero when he shot innocent people. And who knows if he would’ve gone all out to blow the whistle on the corruption he witnessed if he was allowed to keep his job..With that being said, he laid out some information for whatever reason and its up to is to follow-up and make sure dreadful wrongs are forever corrected.
2 members of la sheriff clique were fired. also, lapd is settling cases: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/06/local/la-me-0207-glendale-racial-profiling-20130207
seems like they are trying to give the impression that they’re cleaning house.
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Blue pickup now worth as much money as Bonnie and Clyde stolen Ford.
Good read (RED)
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*IF he shot innocent people.
Very good questions and I hope someone takes actions with these questions. I only wished he would of put the manifesto out to every TV, Radio and Social Media before he started the killing then, with the killing (NOT THAT I AGREE WITH THE KILLING) being his last option if no response. I would have hoped then it wouldn’t have gotten this far.
Good blog. Also, did he kill the couple or was that a set up done by the corrupted to set him off? Any of those gang cops or hired could have killed them, for many knew Dorners history with the dad!
Use that money to feed and home. Use that to make urine generators like those ingenious, young gals did in Africa.
He is ACCUSED of those crimes but I am not sure what the evidence is.
Christopher Dorner’s uncensored manifesto needs to be reprinted in its entirety on the front pages of all U.S. newspapers for people to read and decide for themselves. Reaching the breaking point and insanity are tragedies that sometimes are the only things that will effect meaningful positive social change.
I agree.. they need to see if these facts are true that he stated in the manifesto.. It seems that he will continue until they go and investigate. -purple
Dorner will go down in a Blaze Of Glory. Police Corruptions needs to end. Those Cops are using the power of the badge for their own personal egos. I myself was a victim of Please Corruption. I was physically assaulted by a man when pressing I made my statement to the responding officers. Never signed it never relieved my copy. Before I could blink the Detective where at my house taking another statement. Within the week the man pick up. And seeing the judge. This happening was way fast I had a friend working the force check it out. Found out he was now being charged with assult Rape on a Minrand Ludicrous conduct with a Minor. HELLO I AM 30 YEARS OLD. When asking the Detective WTF she proceeds to tell me that we can charge them with ever we want. If we want charge him with raping a duck. Then we will charge him with raping a duck. Wow wow really now. Well the D.A. Could not file due to the false charges and he walk free. Thank u Detective cause of u a man who is violent is walking free cause of u.
this is so crazy – blue
wow
Rambro is an american hero. I fully support this man and his work!
*Salute*
I posted earlier on the Dorner Manifesto article exposing the corruption. My comments there should be read by all. My final opinion of this tragedy is to point out that corruption is not just the LAPD. It is all over America. Every major city to every small country town. The laws of this land and the authorities that operate within these laws need to be completely shut down and re-instituted Democratically. But that will never happen. It is the ones in Washington and the major Corporations that own them, along with the media, that will prevent it.
The truth will always be for the rich to get richer… and the poor go to prison. Or get killed trying to stop them.
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right or wrong – the LAPD as are most of the police FORCE in America are crooked
Cop -on-Cop Crime in LA: American Blowback
http://sfbayview.com/2013/cop-on-cop-crime-in-la-american-blowback/
This man is mentally ill and has been for awhile. He was fired from his job and kicked out of the Marines because he was not stable. His last 3 relationships ended badly, and with court actions. One of his ex’s posted on a website that he was mentally and emotionally ill and in her opinion, dangerous. He is obviously paranoid and thinks the LAPD is out to get him. He projects blame onto everyone else. He is depressed and suicidal. He will make sure he dies in the end. Like most of these mass shooters, he just doesn’t want to go alone.
The rationale was that they didn’t want to endanger the lives of police officers by printing their names because Dorner was targeting them.. Let’s say we buy that argument…
Nope, not buying it. Dorner – the person who is endangering the police officers – knows their names, he wrote the manifesto that included their names.
The real reason the media helped the police by censoring the names is that inevitably if the public saw these names some would recognize them as the very abusive cops that Dorner claims that they are. The ones with many citizens complaints against them.
Then the sneaking suspicion that Dorner is telling the truth would percolate thru the public. Cops would hate that narrative.
I could be wrong about this, but isn’t Bratton supposed to be leased to the Oakland police department to “clean” it up? If this is the man in charge of cleaning house in Oakland, there will be trouble.
I had to come to your site to read a real unbiased review of this “manifesto”. Since I’m a 47 yr old, middle class white woman, that might seem a bit odd but then I am searching for the truth and not some watered down version of what some news media wants me to know. The other news medias are not including all the information and only citing about the “crazy” ramblings and trying to make this guy seem totally not credible. Dorner is not a bad guy who lived his life in a bad way, he seems like a guy that had nothing to live for anymore and was pushed to the edge. Still, it doesn’t condone taking innocent lives for what you believe in (America at War) or does it? Sick people that live in this world actually think that now that Dorner has went rouge, that omits everything that he accuses the Department of doing. It doesn’t! Not everything he did prior to this is invalid. His life should also be remembered for the good things he did, stand up for justice and the rights of others and being a good morale person. News media is not saying all the good he did. He actually turned in 8k in a bank bag that was found in the street when he was stationed at Enid, OK. Read about it: http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/local_news/la-manhunt-suspect-christopher-dorner-once-lived-in-enid-oklahoma-and-returned-8000-found-in-road
Too bad that the news can’t report the news in it’s entirety. I believe in justice for all and that doesn’t mean just Dorner for what they reported he did. What about the rogue cops that shot up a truck with 2 women and another truck with a guy in it? Why are they not on displinary leave? what is these people would have died? Would they have been such an out cast as Dorner is? No. I am certain they would not. They would probably at worst, be on leave from Department but get paid for sitting at home. SAD World we live in. Sad, when we persecute one man for his misgivings but turn the cheek for others. These policeman were totally negligent with shooting at these vehicles and worst yet, the Department that represents them can’t even do what your Momma taught you to do when you were young: Take responsibility for your wrong actions. No, they try to lessen the liability by saying these people were driving with lights out and anyone driving a similar truck should not have been on the streets. WTF? Sounds like a excuses to me. It was negligent. The LAPD is not enforced to protect themselves and get jumpy and shot at anything that moves. They are empowered to do so to PROTECT AND SERVE The public! The public that they are shooting up!
Get with it people. This world is not getting any better. Dorner may not have told about all the wrong doings of the department if he was still in the department but at least, we would have had one person that would have stood up among all of those within to do the right thing. He was one that stood among the rest to say that this mentally ill child was kicked. I’m certain this is TRUE. If it weren’t, he would have never singled himself out to point his finger at another officer and say that it was. Why would anyone in his position do that and not even benefit from it? They would not. You know that you are taking a stand against the popular position but it is the right stand. I hope that these events are investigated but I doubt it.
Heroes don’t murder people, they save them. This guy could have went to the media, the ACLU, higher courts, etc etc became a spokes person against racism, he could have done something valuable with his life, instead he chose to give up the fight like the true coward he is.
They won’t even try to take him alive …..He will be executed their actions shooting civilians show that
I’ve been shocked at the news coverage on this story, noticing in the first story I read on the LA Times news site a reference to Dorner as “burly.” Have you read stories about burly white men? Why are big African American men always “burly”? Why would an editor even allow that term in a story?
Then CNN tries to put the story in a meaningful context by linking Dorner to the beltway snipers and to OJ Simpson. The only meaning in this linkage is a reference to race, gender, and violence; the individual stories of these men differ. Why not link him to James Holmes or the unibomber?
And holding an advanced degree in English and having worked with words all my life, I was quite affected by Dorner’s manifesto, which also served as a last testament giving him an opportunity to speak his mind on a broad range of issues. Rhetorically, it had a purpose and argued in support of that purpose. As an first draft written in his voice from his heart and mind, it stood up effectively. He has a way with words and control over his allusions. People who want to cripple it by pointing out typos and spelling errors don’t want to hear the message but discredit the messenger.
“I am the walking exigent circumstance you created,” is both tragic and chilling.
They will not take him alive. We all witnessed how the corruption of the LAPD in the 80’s with the Rodney King incident. There are many pieces missing to this puzzle. And the news media is playing into the black brute syndrome. Inot longer trust the information the news media put out there.
I do not approve of him killing innocent people but the man snapped because of the corruption in the police department.
Government military mind-control experiment gone bad!
Someone please investigate the allegations of corruption within the LAPD. Christopher Dorner didn’t LIE he is telling the truth in his manifesto, these are white police officers believe me, they are killing innocence people and nothing being done because they are liars.
Tommy Decentralized
February 9, 2013 @ 11:25 am
Heroes don’t murder people, they save them. This guy could have went to the media, the ACLU, higher courts, etc etc
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You can’t be serious. The media? They would have laughed at him. The ACLU? Who takes them seriously? Higher courts…he’d need videotape and a ton of witnesses.
I agree, Blueburner. “I am the walking exigent circumstance you created” is absolutely accurate. He is indeed “off his rocker” now, and a loose cannon. The people who are the most capable of being dedicated, loyal, and committed to their work and to their creed, are also the ones most vulnerable to “snapping” when they are completely betrayed, disillusioned, and stripped of their purpose. People like the commenter here, Joanne Johnson, can stand around feeling morally superior and saying “he’s just a hypocrite and as violent as those he indicts” but they are blinding themselves to the truth, which is that more Dormers are being created every day, when corrupt systems are allowed to exist, putting highly principled people into no-win situations and driving them to insanity.
Blacks and guns are not a good combo.
The police lie. The media lies. You’re supposed to believe it. It’s always been going on in every regime from the beginning of time.
He looks like a good and brave man. He also looks like he has the strength of a lion and the cunning of a fox.
good luck you 1000 worthless scum bags
Millions of dead in European fratracidal wars and millions of dead non whites through European colonialism tells me Whites and guns are not necessarily a good mix either.
And as far as these cops go, if that was your daughter shot would they go to a fraction of the trouble to do anything about it?
I’m not in to hip-hop at all. I am surprised to find such a cogent review of the facts of this case. I am inclined to believe that Chris Dorner was on the moral “high ground” here untill he started killing people. I strongly support his search for justice and integrity from those who are entrusted with the protection and safety of society. With the greater power that the police have been given also comes a great requirement to perform your duties in a manner that is above all reproach. God bless you and keep you Chris.
Great piece. And i like how you’re not taking sides, it’s about the FACTS. And Justice. You’re not taking sides, but asking questions! Questions that NEED to be answered!
IF he shot innocent people.
The entire manifest should be on national TV! I am not sure he killed those people, he may was set up since the LAPD got wind of the manifest, just to frame the guy
Just a note: there is a legal definition for “exigent circumstances”; it is a common term of law.
“Exigent Circumstances refer to situations that demand unusual or immediate action and this allows people to circumvent usual procedures. In other words emergency conditions. The circumstances are such that it would cause a reasonable person to believe that prompt action is necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers. For example when a neighbor breaks through a window of a burning house to save someone inside.
These are situations in which a police officer can take immediate action to effectively make an arrest, search, or seizure for which probable cause exists. This can be done without first obtaining a warrant. The federal ‘knock and announce’ statute, 18 U.S.C. S 3109 requires police officers to knock, announce and be refused entry before they break into a residence. However, exigent circumstances excuse noncompliance.”
http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/exigent-circumstances/
I do not believe this guy killed anyone!!! I believe he WITNESSED something and the LAPD leaders need him dead!!!
Who can confirm that this “Christopher Dorner” is real?
Who can confirm the shooting of LAPD related personnel? Are there any Witnesses?
Who can confirm that “Christopher Dorner” did shoot the personnel? Are there any Witnesses?
Who can confirm that there are 1000 policemen in a Man-hunt going on?
How did the newspaper delivery Mom and Doughter + the second pickup driver survive all those bullets? Was this Police shooting only indented to scare the population, and to back up a Psy-op?
Is “Christopher” hiding from the LAPD, or is he invented to, or an accomplice in a Psy-op?
Is somebody ells writing on behalf of “Christopher” to enact Gun control inside America?
Why was “Christopher” thinking of putting a specific Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in Officer Magana and Burdios scull (at the bus incident) in stead of using his police firearm?
Is “Christopher” portrayed as a Christian, a Jew, or is he totally fictional?
Is “Christopher” portrayed as a sexual libertarian, or as an heterosexual?
Is “Christopher” portrayed as an Racist or just against everybody in the LAPD?
Is “Christopher” really ready to die for his course, or is he already dead?
The writer “Christopher” reveals who he really is by this Statement:
If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not have happen.
The writer “Christopher”is not an American, he/ it is a foreign organization, attempting by local agents to ferment the collapse of the American society, before the final take over.
By agitating for Gun control, Gay Men in the Military, Women in Combat, Fraction within the American people, between Racial, Sexual, Religious and regional lines.
Take your pick: Homosexual contra heterosexual, Christian versus Jews and Muslims. Collored vs Caucasian people. The Citizenry vs the Police. The States vs The Federal level. The People against its Leaders.
Take a look at the People that “Christopher” is promoting, and decide for youself if they has bennefitted the American People, or—-
George H W Bush, Bill Clinton, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, General Petraeus, General Colin Powell, Sen. Feinstein, Walther Cronkite, Piers Morgan, Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, Anderson Cooper, Mia Farrow, Larry David, Kevin Hart, Lisa Lampanelli, Chris Rock, Jerry Seinfeld, Louis CK, Dave Chapelle, Jon Stewart, Wanda Sykes, Dennis Miller, Jeff Ross.
From Denmark
the Davidians proved that they will bring their own dead agents and accuse you of killing them at your house….
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/74/74_pix.html
so, you know he probably didn’t kill anyone until he has a fair trial with competent counsel and a “jury” of his peers….cause you know…under the Law he’s supposed to be innocent until proven guilty…
http://www.palestine-encyclopedia.com/EPP/TOC.htm
now the neocons and warmongers who print currency and own the media and pay the crack whores in Congress… on the other hand…
What is this about the Rodney King beating officers? Are they really still employed after such graphic misconduct and causing such civil unrest and loss of lives due to the riots?
Why is racism condoned? Why has the LA PD pushed a highly intelligent officer to such extremes, causing more civil unrest? Injustice?
I don’t agree with the extreme measures of Dorner, but it surely sounds to me that the LAPD created this monster due to continuously condoned racism and the use of excessive force.
It seems to me that some dirty laundry of the worst nature is being aired. I believe all these issues should be severely addressed through audit and review.
These aren’t the deranged ravings of a lunatic; more correctly the very detailed ravings of a wronged man.
What about The Whistleblower’s Protection Act of 1989? It’s pretty obvious the LAPD is exempt from that…or are they?
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I would really like to see the booking photo of the victim Dorner reported the abuse against. I would also like to see the DVD which shows testimony. And I would really like to see SGT Teresa Evan’s personnel file.
I agree with most comments here and believe the media was directed to cooperate with police so as not to “stir the pot,” and cause civil unrest.
Too bad the media doesn’t start digging into the issues. Just the very fact that the police chief tried to down play the two shootings incidents. I was shocked when I saw that truck!!! They could have killed innocent people in the truck and withe all the stray bullets that went into nearby houses!!! Jesus Christ!! The police are definitely the ones to avoid. Scary!
Whos to say Donner took out the cop & lapd took out the daughter and mom to turn public opinion
America and sadly the world has come to this, no-one trusts anyone any more. The rot starts from the top, and the top is not the president. The top are the Rothschilds, Windsors, Rockerfellars, Warburgs and the rest of that gang. You know, the ones who control the FED and the Bank of International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland.
Crazy -RUST
They have sicked the Drones on him now…truly a problem….
This is the kind of reporting and/or journalism I want to read.
Is there a point to your rambling blueburner??? or are you just siding with those murderous, lying, scum bags that serve as cops in CA???
I know Chief William Bratton and he’s a corrupt effed up man! I heard him defend a police beating in 2004!!! A beating I witnessed with my own eyes, Sorry Chief, my eyes dont lie to me like you do!
How can citizens continue to believe the LIARS LIES and there MINISTRY OF MISINFORMATION.
Thanks Davey D for this early and intriguing article.
As this story grows on the national scale it seems to to me that it is bringing up justifications across political isles and socioeconomic boundaries for efforts to be spent improving our police forces.
And yet, so far I’ve not come across a lot of ‘solutions’ to the problem.
Endless opinions about whether Dorner is a hero or symptom of a broken system but no functional suggestions for how to turn this story’s currently related nationwide debate about corruption into real changes.
It seems to me that people who have known about police brutality and injustice for decades must’ve put some viable ideas together on how to improve the situation; no? Where are their suggested solutions? My sense is that there is a lack of replacement solutions and a lack of discussion on how to fix the existing system.
If ‘the people’ don’t want ‘the system’ to find it’s own solutions than the people need to speak up in these rare and extreme moments when lots of folks are listening.
This is crazy -teal
Oh Gawd! He hates liars! Therefore he murders and terrorizes. Beforehand he had already selected a publicist-Cooper. Now he is the star of a ‘Dirty Harry’ movie. Even has a Mustang guy as an alibi. More codes than license plate frames. It’s not the Indie 500!
California has 84 hate groups-more than most southern states known for racial segregation of the ’60s era. They brought about revolution through poetry and hippified protestors, yet still lag in social awareness of bigotry and injustice. Of course if they didn’t, they wouldn’t sell as many media spots like the one this fallen officer has sought.
Had the officers undergone the duplicate/triplicate car discernment program like they operate in my state, that elderly, Caucasian female gang member would never have been gunned down.One day you’re digging through the trash, letting out people’s dogs;the next day you’re down at the beamer dealership driving off in a flashy new one.
Poetry or driving? That is the question.
Why is Teresa Evans, the “training officer” who enjoys beating up on handcuffed disabled children & old women, still alive?
Some are asking, don’t talk about the problem, suggest a solution. The reason criminality is to be found everywhere in government is because at the very highest levels the system is dysfunctional. It is dysfunctional because it is run by a global Mafia of the richest families on earth alluded to in an earlier comment about the Rothschilds, the Queen of England, Rockefellers and others. Thus we have a president who is not elected by the electorate, if he were, his name would have been Ron Paul. But Ron Paul would have liked to do something with the private Federal Reserve that its owners (see the people mentioned above) don’t want done, namely done away with it, just as John Kennedy wanted to and was killed trying. Now this global mafia are geoengineering the planet with chemtrails which are decimating the ozone layer. This in turn is melting the methane deposits in the high arctic and Siberia, with extinction looming on the horizon for us all, and no one can address any of these life and death matters at all because we are dealing with an unelected and totally unaccountable global mafia. So let’s state this clearly once again. The entire US administration from the president on down is a criminal enterprise. If you want to start to address any problem you must start there. Why do you think there is zero tolerance for drinking but no zero tolerance for war? Treat the disease not the symptom. The “disease” are the unelected, unaccountable super rich. We must do away with their central banks and system of usury before their endless greed engulfs us all. We are running out of time fast people, please focus on the dire state of this geoengineering nightmare. Stop the chemtrails now. It may already be too late.
I am sorry, I just don’t understand most of what you all are so irate about. I am irate about this man Dorner who allegedly killed multiple people, then sends out this document he wrote admitting to it. Then in this paper he cries about something that happened in kindergarten, tell Jessica Beals she is hot, and gives shout outs to elected officials regarding their work to enact an automatic weapons ban?
Obviously he is suffering terribly from PTSD, has a few screws loose and is an apparent danger to ANY one he deems in his way or wrong. Who is HE to be judge, jury, and executioner? He is not right in the head and he needs to be stopped, by whatever means necessary, not only from what he states in his “manifesto” but by his recent actions. It makes me sad. Whether he was wronged on the job and lost his badge righteously or not is irrelevant. If you are wronged, then you fight it via the proper channels. SOMETIMES people, even though they ARE right, may lose the battle. Good does NOT always will out. The bad guys do often get to win. Just praying this bad guy doesn’t cause any more damage.
Also praying that people will stop looking at poor him and look at the over all picture. So sad, and senseless.
(Side rant: How is it that when a Caucasian hurts a person of different ethnicity it is racist, but when it turned around and the VICTIM is Caucasian, then it is not considered racist? Why can’t YOU ALL just get over skin color. Racism will cease to exist when people stop acting like victims because somebody hurt your feelings and their skin happens to be a different color. Quit being so darned sensitive. Grow a set for crying out loud!!!)
All of the LAPD cops who were within sight of Rodney King when he was beaten should have been fired and then prosecuted. Police all over the U.S. are committing brutal acts against citizens. The P.O. Bill Of Rights should be abolished in all states.
Those cops did that stuff he’s saying they did. This man don’t want anything but justice. Cops have been doing the samething for decades, its about time for pay back.
I think we should call him the punisher!!!!!!!
About the killing of Monica Quan and her fiancée. How did Dorner know of them? He joined the department in 2002. Captain Quan, Monica’s father retired in 2002.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57568134-504083/monica-quan-and-keith-lawrence-murders-christopher-dorner-ex-cop-sought-in-slaying-of-basketball-coach-fiance/
Even if there were a couple of months of overlap between them: Dorner, at the time, was in training, Quan was a captain…and never the two shall meet. Much less talking about family, getting names, putting those names into people searchers on the computer. In 2002, I imagine, Monica to be a young girl/teen (11 years ago). Is Chris Dorner registered with the people searchers services since he’s not a cop anymore and doesn’t have access to their computers.
Did somebody else kill them, a robbery? It happened outside her condo complex in the parking lot. Did Quan (Chinese man doesn’t want her daughter marrying a black man)? And then Quan said that Dorner called him and told him, paraphrasing, “You couldn’t protect your daughter.” because of that release, I believe Quan killed them…
Dorner may be dead right now, if reports that are coming in over corporate media are any where close to being true. Look carefully about how they brag about locating the person they are saying could be Dorner: they used a drone. I think that all of the articles that Davey D has written so far are some of the most sensible in terms of laying out facts and questions that better be asked by “we the people” – of color in particular.
See also:
Cop on cop crime in LA: American blowback
http://sfbayview.com/2013/cop-on-cop-crime-in-la-american-blowback/
Trixie184
I was born a light skin baby in New Orleans, LA, I was 2 black to be white and 2 white to be black. I grew up with White/Colored Restrooms, White/Colored Water Fountains and Sitting Areas on Public Buses and White/Colored Eating Areas. The sad part of prejudice, racism, bigotry and hate is that its not something we are born with but something that we are taught. I can understand where Dorner is coming from but, no matter talking a life is wrong. I do believe he just wanted the most important things in his life to be given back to him, his job, his reputation, his dignity, his name and most of all wanted to make the wrongs right. I hope that this incident shows people that enough is enough and if things don’t changed you may push people to this point that Dorner was push.
I would like to say to his family although i don’ t know them they are in my prayers. In all this his mother lost a son, his sister lost a brother.
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