L.A. Gang Waged War To Eliminate Black People

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As you read this story keep in mind the outside forces that are hard at work attempting to stoke these fires… In Southern cali, you have an out of control militiristic police department and prison system that keeps prisons segregated and then does things like stage cock fights to putting rival gangs in the same pod and letting them go at each other. You also have a huge concentration of Aryan nation gangs that have linked up with some of the Southern Cali latino gangs inside the prison this strange alliance has intensified racial tensions inside the prisons which in turn have spilled out onto the streets.  I’m including in this post a longer article I penned a a couple of years ago that can shed some further light as to whats going on in Southern Cali.  
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L.A. Gang Waged War To Eliminate Black People

By Associated Press
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An unidentified Los Angeles County Sheriff’s deputy displays weapons confiscated in a gang take down before a news conferenc.

A Latino street gang waged a racist campaign to eliminate black people from a Southern California city through attempted murders and other crimes, according to federal racketeering indictments unsealed Thursday.

Five indictments charged a total of 147 members and associates of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang, and federal and local agencies arrested 63 of them by early Thursday, U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien said at a news conference.

He called it ”the largest gang takedown in United States history” but did not elaborate.

The indictments detail attempted murder, kidnapping, firearms, narcotics and other charges related to attacks by the gang, which is predominantly Latino and mainly operates in Hawaiian Gardens, a city of about 15,000 in southeastern Los Angeles County.

”(Varrio Hawaiian Gardens) gang members take pride in their racism and often refer to the VHG Gang as the `Hate Gang,”’ the main indictment states. ”VHG gang members have expressed a desire to rid the city of Hawaiian Gardens of all African-Americans and have engaged in a systematic effort to achieve that result by perpetrating crimes against African-Americans.”

The indictment alleges a string of attacks on black residents, including a shooting into a home with eight people inside. The indictment does not say if anyone was hit.

In another instance, two gang members allegedly chased a black man, yelled a racist epithet at him and then beat him with a garden rake. The same man was later repeatedly stabbed by two gang members, according to the indictment, which charges them with his attempted murder.

According to 2000 census data, the latest available, Hawaiian Gardens was roughly 73 percent Hispanic and 4 percent black.

The indictments mark at least the second time in less than two years that federal authorities have accused Latino gang members of attacking black residents because of their race. Local officials have tried to downplay racial tensions.

The investigation of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang began in June 2005 after the murder of Los Angeles County sheriff’s Deputy Luis Gerardo ”Jerry” Ortiz. Jose Luis Orozco, a member of the gang, was sentenced to death in 2007 for the killing.

Ortiz, 35, died as he searched for Orozco, who had shot and wounded a man while he did yard work. Orozco was later found guilty of attempted murder in that case.

”Following the murder of Deputy Ortiz, the Sheriff’s Department sought federal and local assistance to help destroy the Hawaiian Gardens gang,” O’Brien said.

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Black-Brown Tensions in LA-What’s Behind It?
by Davey D (repost 5/09/05)

daveyd-raider2For those of you reading this who live outside of Los Angeles you should note that for the past few days folks have been on edge because of increasing racial tension between Blacks and Mexicans. Over the past month there have been a few brawls at local high schools including a huge one at Jefferson High School involving more than 200 people.

Now the tensions have been inflamed by a letter that has been circulating around the city earlier this week claiming that in retaliation for some beef between Black and Latino gangs, 500 Black kids wearing white t-shirts would be targeted and killed by Mexican gangs on Cinco de Mayo which was yesterday. Fortunately nothing major jumped off, as a record number 51 thousand kids stayed home from school. That’s close to 20% of the LA School District.

There was one reported stand off between Black and Latino students at Lynwood High which is right outside Compton. But that was quickly quelled. Obviously 500 brothas did not get killed but tensions are still high as we head into the weekend.

Below is the letter that was sent out via email and then later reproduced and passed out in malls and campuses throughout Los Angeles. For the most part, the letter appears to be a hoax. Folks who work closely with the gangs down here have not heard of any craziness jumping off, but because the letter has been so widely circulated, it has led to some town hall meetings and increased police presence on all the high school campuses down here.

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<< Hey everyone,——————————————

We all have friends who this can affect unfortunately. This is not a joke,
and you know this if you’ve been watching the news lately. There are no city
limits on the actions taking place below. Please read below and take it very
seriously.

Unfortunately, the word on the street (which has been confirmed by a
probation officer) is that the Rolling 60’s (an LA gang) stole 160 kilo’s of
cocaine from the Mexican Mafia. In retaliation, the Mexican Mafia and other
Mexican gangs have decided to target and kill 400-1000 black men of all ages
who are wearing white t-shirts. This is not limited to the freeways….. I
understand that this is very real and very serious. Please pass this on to
EVERYONE that you know. I suggest you do not wear any white shirts at all if
possible. Also, if you have on a dress shirt, consider wearing your jacket
over it…

Public Interest Investigations, Inc.
1055 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 1985
Los Angeles, CA 90017>>

It’s important to note that this on going beef between Black and Brown is not happening in vacuum and seems to be sparking off in cities with large minority populations
with increasing regularity.

Kamrapper-225I caught up with LA rapper Kam not to long ago who spoke on the seriousness of this situation. He noted that he spends a lot of time working to heal any rifts which he says starts from the racial segregation and ‘divide and conquer’ techniques used in the California prisons. He noted that this tactic has now spilled out onto the streets and is starting to impact everyday folks buy into these rumors of conflict.

For those who don’t know, in the Cali penal system, inmates are separated by race, ethnicity and gang affiliation. Because the Latino population is so large (almost a third of the state is Latino), prison officials separate Northern and Southern Cali Mexicans. Within the prisons gangs have formed and alliances made with Northern Mexicans known as Nortenos hooking up with Black inmates and the Southern Mexicans known as Surenos aligning themselves with the White Arayan Brotherhood. The initial split with Northern and Southern Mexicans is something that many feel was a well orchestrated ‘divide and conquer’ plan politicos that went into effect years ago to stem any sort of large Brown block holding and yielding social and political power.

Kam concluded as he did in his landmark record ‘Keep the Peace’ which addresses this issue that Black and Brown are kin to each other and that all of us are going to have to be aware of the outside forces that continuously work to keep large groups of people divided and separated. Black and Brown unity becomes threatening to some who wish to maintain power and see the large numbers that both groups have as a threat to everything from job security to political outcomes on key issues.

During our conversation we spoke about how the police seemed to work overtime to try and stir up beef after the Rodney King uprisings where many of the Crip and Blood sets formed a truce. Those undermining efforts were also directed at the Latino gangs who also formed truces after the riots. When these efforts by the police failed to eradicate the truces you suddenly started to find an increase in tensions between Black and Brown. This latest scenario involving the letter warning Black kids to not wear white t-shirts on Cinco de Mayo was a deliberate attempt to create drama where there wasn’t any.

Long time rapper Poetess who does a lot of community work here in LA on KKBT the Beat100.3 explained that while older folks may not have immediately bought into any of this, it’s young cats and BGs (baby gang members) who may caught up and feel a need to show and prove. Although Cinco de Mayo has passed with weekend celebrations set to kick off, many are still concerned.

We should also note that recent tension has been exacerbated by a hostile political climate here in Cali. Part of it centers around the recent remarks and subsequent endorsement voiced by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger of the controversial Minute Men vigilantes patrolling the borders separating the US from Mexico. The ‘Governator’ who is an immigrant himself says he wants the Minute Men to come to California.

His remarks have been compounded by the objections voiced by other political leaders in LA who felt that a number of recently erected billboards advertising a Spanish language radio station we re offensive. The Billboard says Welcome to Los Angles, Mexico with the words US crossed out. The overt reaction harks back to the type of anti-immigrant (translation-Anti-Mexican) climate that has been in effect over the past few years that lead to Prop 187 (anti-immigration bill) and Prop 225 (English only initiative) being voted into law.

Many forget that a lot of folks of Mexican descent are keenly aware that the California is one of the seven western states that was once a part of what was called Atzlan. In other words, there’s a strong sense that Latinos in Cali did not cross the border, the border crossed them and that at the end of the day this is indigenous land. Sadly there have been a number of right-wing zealots who have tried to denounce this notion by calling it fiction. Some have gone so far as to try and shut down and silence professors and other public educators who have spoken about Atzlan.

Sadly because of perceived racial tensions in the past, much of which has started out prison we had a number of Southern Cali Black folks voted along with some of the oppressive measures I mentioned.

antoniovillaroagas-225The other thing that is being looked at and causing more than a few to speculate, is that this latest rise in tension between Black and Brown may actually be connected to the highly contentious mayoral campaign that is in full swing here in LA. What’s happened is that in the last election Latino mayoral candidate Antonio Villaraigosa saw his chances to become LA’s first Latino mayor in more than a hundred years, derailed when prominent Black leaders including Congresswoman Maxine Waters and former LA Laker/businessman Magic Johnson threw their weight and influence behind James Hahn.

Hahn was given the nod because of the strong allegiance his dad Kenneth Hahn a former LA supervisor had formed with Black leaders over his long political career. There was a sense from politicians like Waters to back James Hahn because of the strong support his father had shown LA’s Black community.

To make a long story short, the Black vote that Hahn secured gave him victory in a close race. The new Mayor returned the favor by stabbing LA’s Black leadership in the back. He promptly recommended and backed the firing the popular Black police Chief Bernard Parks, replacing him with former NY and Boston police Chief Bill Bratton. This was a not only a major embarrassment for those Black leaders who backed his campaign, but it also set deep wedge in all sorts of political circles. First Black-Latino relations became even more strained because of what many saw as a sell out move. It caused irreparable damage between Han and LA’s Black community who were determined to pay him back during this current election.

Hanh’s mistreatment and betrayal of Black folks in LA led to a rare political alliance between the two communities. Both Black and Brown had come together to support Villaraigosa and early on he had a substantial lead in this Mayoral race. This is supported by a recent article in an article that appeared in Hispanic Business

Now with the May 17th election just 10 days away, we suddenly have race riots and threats of Blacks being killed by Latinos being front page news. The timing and political implications of this have not gone unnoticed. Nothing happens in a vacuum. And as a result a lot of questions are being asked.

Is this latest round of tension between Black and Brown in LA the result of shady police divide and conquer tactics when you consider that the current LAPD administration may owe Hanh a favor? Is the widely circulated letter in anyway shape or form connected to his campaign which stands to benefit the most in a highly contested race? Will the Black community that seemed perched to vote for Villaraigosa pull back and not go to the polls at all because of this racial tension? Stranger and more insidious things have happened in high stakes political races. Considering that Hahn had no problems stooping so low during the last election to backstab the people who backed him the most, how can one not look at the possibility that his campaign his behind this erroneous letter?

Something to ponder
Davey D
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Comments

  1. Dave,… once again you are LATE.
    The threat here is real and has been for oh… the last 10 years at least. Anyone with their ears to the street already knows this. But then again all we get to hear is what 50 did or what Rick Ross did and how Whitey is behind all of it.. so sad., so sad.

    • Jews, fool. Jews. Not white folk.

    • GabrielCeaser says:

      It’s ying and yang. Black and white they both play off each other. The balance of The Modern Day Atlantis (ATLANTIC).good and bad night and day. When some black kid gets shot by a cop in the back its news. It’s harpped on. Slavery here only 10% were black huh. Every movie showing a slave or story being told there black. Hollywood is white and black every educator, every documentary, music, sports, etc. I know they both go around the world fighting at The Same time discovering the fighting is a good front it gets the attention away from what is going on. Perpatrating! It’s like this Blacks are the only race that don’t check there peers backround when entering DOC… I never seen a black maid. I never seen a black person working the fields. I never seen landscaper that’s black. What did they all just stop.No they applied for those positions that were jobs but to whites and blacks they called it slaving. Ya I wrote it “applied for the positions” flexing themselves like look look look at me hire me! Shit blacks supervised The Americans.(the indigineous). Fuck, I understand on a level that most won’t dare to attempt to go, are show! I got the answer to this but the powers that be…. Won’t …

  2. flavorblade says:

    I enjoyed staying in East L.A last year. Plan on going back this summer. Where I was at Boyle Heights I liked it because it was a hardcore hood which means they about their business. I was about mine. It’s those little suburban type towns where you have to be real weary. Wannabe’s are more likely to act out over something dumb or someone elses idea.

    I’m going to have to pose on a white fence and show them cats how to rock a gangster hat with summer clarks and dickies. Excellent area for an art gallery.

  3. As a biracial man of Black and Mexican decent I am angry and sad to hear of this. Yes, racial tensions have been high amongst Blacks and Mexicans for some time now. We really need to get over these differences. This kind of fighting is why the movement will not get anywhere. Why are two groups of people who are clearly subjected to the same kind of hardships, prejudices, and lack of opportunity doing this to each other? There needs to be a joining of organizations from different cultural backgrounds. We must communicate and work together to change this. We have the power. There should be more cultural events that incorporate solidarity. Regardless of who started this bull crap we need to fix it. It’s freaking 2009 we have a biracial president in office. Black and Brown people wake up. If were killing each other then who is fighting the man? More music,more art,more activism for solidarity for all people of color!!!

  4. Santos, please sit down… Look, when I hear comments like yours, about how “we need to communicate and work together to change this…more cultural events that incorporate solidarity.”
    Um, you don’t have a clue…
    Do you even know the nature of this conflict? Have you ever been INSIDE a prison? Not an art event, a p-r-i-s-o-n.. so may times I read comments from people who are good at having tea and wheatgrass shots, bit don’t have a clue of how what happens in the Joint controls what happens in the street.
    Go to Folsom and speak on solidarity and get a pencil in your neck.
    Shit is real…

  5. Jose.. no ones late on anything..We’ve been talking about BlackBrown conflicts/unity forever..

    there’s many facets to this above and beyond prison conflicts.. Of course nowadays that plays a big part of but when have we not had conflict in prisons? And even if it derived from that it impacts people on a variety of levels including what santos wrote about..

    same reason why you have cats running around claiming gang sets who don’t know anything about the gangs and areas they repping for.. The bottomline here is either you wish to shed some knowledge that can help move people towards a solution or you want chaos to continue? Sitting back and berating someone because he offered an opinion is backwards..

  6. Mexican from SJ (norCAL) currently in LA with my soCAL family. I think its all about how you carry yourself. If you walk around like a G your gonna get checked whether u Mex, Black, Asian etc..I agree with Santos- because change starts with the self. Leave that prison talk &walk in prison where it belongs homie.

  7. Change does start with the self, so in that regard i do agree, but what happens when the change that starts leads one to make these life changing murderous ways?
    To clique up?
    And I do agree that we all should leave that prison talk where it belongs, I do believe that, but what I am saying is the WE could here on this message board say that, but thousands upon thousands of other cats on the streets aint hearing it.
    So when La Eme says we want to run niggers out of LA, that’s what’s going to happen, and to the many innocent black folks in So Cal that have no clue of what’s going and get merc’ed.. for what?
    To go to a solidarity meeting? um no,…

  8. First thing’s first: Mainstream media is ALWAYS full of shit. Every time you’re reading the who, what, when, why and where, you have to ask yourself WHY their printing this article. WHY now? Because it’s news? Mexican and black gangs fighting? What’s tomorrow’s headline? Piss is yellow?

    The purpose for this crack down and subsequent news cycle is obviously not to inform us that, by golly, there are racist gangs in LA. That’s an old memo (Davey’s adjoined blog entry from 2005). Instead, the Hawaiian Gardens story is to make us think about Latino gangs hating blacks. It’s to make us talk about Latino gangs hating blacks. And all in a time of immigration hysteria….

    I’ll bet you this wasn’t in the article: LA’s poverty levels are increasing by the day. Gang violence has always risen with poverty. The poor have always fought amongst racial lines, both politically and in the streets. No. But they did specify how much artillery was confiscated. So, we’re informed.

  9. Jose, just curious, what prison were you in, and when? And, were you there as an inmate, or as a guard?…I have to be honest, I can’t tell. Because i’ve heard both talk the way you do.

  10. And, Jose, not a county jail, not work project, but a p-r-i-s-o-n. I’m related to a warden. We disagree politically but we’ve discussed prison gangs for hours on end. Give me your best lecture and I’ll run your points by him for a fact check, then get back to you. Chances are, you won’t be able to tell me anything I don’t already know. Which would make me wonder if you were ever really in a prison at any time, for any reason. I would then wonder why you’re posing as such an authority on prison and gangs, and insulting people like Santos for merely having a peaceful ideology.

  11. flavorblade says:

    What the one guy is saying about prison behavior and agenda spilling over to the street is right to an extent. The comunity at some point has to look at the ex-inmates that wish to make the streets mirror a prison tier and say no. You can go back to prison for that. If you want to live free you have to respect freedom. I don’t think we are talking about drug turf here since the lines are already drawn solidly over who can do what were. So we not even talking economics. We are talking just the pure will to commit violence against another person. Starting with someone that is different from yourself.

    I think economics can bring people together. If you getting money together it should superceed attitudes. That why I say if I opened up an art gallery anywhere in the country I would as a blackman choose East L.A. as my main store. The talent is there, we can all make money, and we need something positive under our belt. If a person can’t respect that than they just retarded and have to be eliminated or removed in some way. There is always going to be a truce breaker no matter how well everybody else is vibing.

  12. Mrdaveyd says:

    Jose.. Black folks have lived in rthis country for 500 years where people have committed themselves to running us out of town.. The entire south is filled with blood of people who died because that ruthlessness was acted upon. Lynchings, KKK, White Citizens Council, police etc.. In spite of all those odds people survived and moved onward and upward.. and the same will apply here.. It all boils down to what people really wanna make happen..I belive people want unity and it will happen inspite of what anyone says and wants.. History has proven that time and time again..

    • luck luckie says:

      East coast brothers are right am from Seattle and Mexicans aint running shit up hete or got no hoods as i got older i realized California blacks are the most sambo slave nigs in America kill over color even in prison mexicans stick together now how stupid can bloods and crips be not to.come together i will say this the Mexicans are only won the southern cal part it 50 other major citys in America blacks control like seattle atl ny houston etc etc

  13. First of all in response to Jose. My whole family is caught up in gangs.I have many family members still incarcerated in P-R-I-S-O-N. Solidarity can happen and does happen. I do know about some of the bullshit that goes on in prisons and on the streets. Having such a crazy negative attitude toward collaboration is why it doesn’t happen. Don’t sit a question my validity as a person of color. who are you to even judge? That’s why progression doesn’t happen. Sit down and open your mind to change. stop being afraid and open your eyes. Throw away the seeds of separation. Look beyond yourself at the bigger picture. We need to stop judging each other and embrace our common enemy the system. I hope one day you can look at this problem with optimism Jose. Don’t question why people want to help but ask yourself why you’re against it?

  14. No one is saying for gang members to meet up and have a solidarity meeting. That wouldn’t work.You know it and I know it ,but the indifference needs to be bridged somewhere. We have to find common ground and connect.

  15. flavorblade says:

    People also have to check just who they are listening to and why. If someone is telling you it is your life mission to run or destroy another group of people from an area and you don’t have any real authority to do so and will most likelly end up in prison trying, as an individual you have to challenge the intelligence in that. Especially if we are not talking immediate self defence but unwarrented aggression.

    One form of coward is somebody that acts against their own will and intelligence to satisfy somebody elses goal. The average gang member in prison is there due somebody elses idea. Gang cats should catch a lesson from church folks; independence and freedom requires courage. Oppresion is anything or anyone stopping you from advancing in life, often that’s the cat right next to you, leading you right to PRISON.

  16. Robert Jr. James McClendon says:

    On the East coast gang wars ended like in the 1970’s. CIvil rights, education, and music kept our minds off of that ignorance. Then they had to come with NWA and Ice Cube with the movie “Colors” to reintroduce it to the next generation. Now, you all crying about the spanish people taking you all out. Wake up, Black people! Divided, conquered, owned, unbelieveable!!!

  17. Robert Jr. James McClendon says:

    On the East coast gang wars ended like in the 1970’s. CIvil rights or affirmative actions, education, and music kept our minds off of that ignorance. Then they had to come with NWA and Ice Cube with the movie “Colors” to reintroduce it to the next generation. Now, you all crying about the spanish people taking you all out. Wake up, Black people! Divided, conquered, owned, unbelieveable!!!

  18. Robert Jr. James McClendon says:

    That was Ice T and “Colors”. Isn’t funny how the same people that poisioned a generation fifteen years ago or so became Hollywood stars to that same generations kids. I ain’t buying it. My kids don’t watch no Snoop, Ice Cube, nor Ice T. They’ve done enough damage to our race for America to hold them up as heroes for “our” kids. Wake up, people! The people who re-introduced the gang, pimp, player ignorance in the late ’80’s and ’90’s have been rewarded with Hollywood jobs to poison our children – another generation. Ain’t that a blip! Time to grow up, people. Hip-hop has always been about “helping ignorant people – hurt our people”.

  19. Mike (Ali) Raccoon Eyes Kinney says:

    TEACHING THE VALUES OF PEACE

    By: Mike (Ali) Raccoon Eyes Kinney

    As a Cherokee Native American Activist and a former member of the Richmond California Violence Prevention Movement, I have seen close to 515 homicides in the City of Richmond from 2001 to the present.

    The declaration of a ‘war on violence’ by the Richmond city government was not the panacea, instead it failed miserably.

    I have often stated in town hall meetings and on television, the best way to win the ‘war on violence’ in Richmond is to ‘TEACH THE VALUES OF PEACE’.

    In the killing fields of Richmond, most of the victims of homicides are youth or young adults. Teaching the values of peace begins with our youth and young adults. From a Native perspective, winning the war on violence begins in the home with a strong, spiritual belief and value system.

    We believe that Creator made all generations, past, present and those of the future, holy people. This is what our Elders teach us from the time we are born.

    Our families and Elders teach our young people that they must tear away the images and stereotypes that mainstream society has placed upon them as Native peoples.

    Violence and killing is not traditional in Native culture, it is a learned behavior from mainstream society.

    We teach our youths not to attack, punish or beat themselves up for crimes that they have never committed in regards to racism. Our Elders and families teach our young people to have good self-esteem, self-worth and self-value, for as the original holy people this was Creators plan.

    Native people know that it is both family and community responsibility to teach the values of peace to our young people.

    We teach our young people honesty and accountability concerning violence. It begins with accepting responsibility for self and acknowledging any past use of violence.

    Admitting any wrongdoing, communicating openly and truthfully to renounce the use of violence in the future places our youth on the right path. We place a heavy emphasis that all life is sacred.

    The final lesson in teaching the values of peace is quite simple. It is helping young people understand their relationship to others and all things in Creation.

    Be responsible for your role, act with compassion and respect, and remember ALL LIFE IS SACRED. Native culture is prevention!

    Mike (Ali) Raccoon Eyes Kinney

  20. katymurta says:

    I have found this thread fascinating and wanted to add my two cents. I am a white woman who just bought my first home in Boyle Heights, east of downtown LA. I have a boyfriend who happens to be black and, I must confess, I am a bit concerned about any potential violence, given the nature of this thread.

    We are, by the way, both members of a 12-step program, clean and sober for years.

    I would hope this gang violence between Mexican and Blacks is grossly overstated in the media–as is most everything. However, I fear it isn’t. I liked what one poster said about building coalitions through economics. I also happen to be an artist and am well aware of the rich artistic well of talent in the East LA area.

    I can’t add any experience in regards to the prisons–I know nothing of that sort of existence. However, the barrio of BH is my soon-to-be hood and I intend to bring some sort of harmony there, along with my experience as a recovered alcoholic and a practising artist. Wish me luck!

  21. gringo1977 says:

    yous talk a alot of shit hope the american goverment nukes california.WANKERS always goin on about race get over it.

  22. ITS REALLY WHAT BLACKS GET FOR STARTING THIS RACE WAR NOW US BROWNS STICC TOGETHER WEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT MEXICANS \CHICANOS CONTROL CALI HAHA BROWN POWER STEP UP
    COCHELA VALLEY DESERT BOYY

    • evilkirk says:

      Definition of a Typical Beaner Gang; Cowards from the get go! Off spring of Tijuana Hookers and Pot Belly Field Wetbacks! They form gangs because they are Physically and Intellectually Inferior!Shy and Elusive by nature when by themselves but in great numbers brave and confident well fight if they about to out number you 7 to 1! Then have to use WEAPONS because they are not about SHIT! FUCK WETBACKS JOKES! ONLY BRAVE IN NUMBERS!

  23. Another thing our hoods have been around since the fortys we have some from the twenties ….Temple st , Clanton 14th st on the west side since the twenties an 38 st on the south side since the twenties an Dogtown off of leroy st since the 1890 Mexican Irish gang by downtown in the prjects known as william mead projects ….Big Hazard, Maravilla ,Gerathy Loma, City Terrace, Rose Hills ,Avenues since the fortys …..Happy Valley& East Side Clover in lincoln hieghts, White Fence in East L.A. an Frogtown in Elysian Park since the thirties…..u would never knoe wats up unless u lived there we have the oldest gangs in the nation not even latin kings comes close ….whaT the forties ….an bloods an crips since the sixties earliest….u cant count Asian Triads cause that was formed 300 yrs ago over seas home grown oldest barrios gos to us ….real black foos ogs that have been busted have their prejudice but have an understanding an respect for the homies ….Tupac said it wouldnt be L.A. without Mexicans ……even snoop said on the song Game on no limit record album snoop world said Stacy D from that big bad ESE them str8 killas …..game recognize game…..even San Gabriel valley has hoods since the fiftys like Puente ,
    El Monte Flores, Bassett ,Lomas …not just the inner city wat u dont understand is still waters run deep….we dont bother people unless they trip first we feud with chinese cambodian armenians even though wen armenians R busted their in the ramfla …..its not racial its gang bangin dont cry about it ……..an our hoods have not just all Mexican especially the west side which is pico -union,westlake ,rampart, districts its lil south america you have Guatemalan, Nicaugrin ,Honduras,Puerto Rican,Peruvian,Columbian, an El Salvadorian ….an Mara salvatrucha pays the fellas thats why they have 13 like Armenian Power 13….they pay up only place MS is making waves is east coast cuz their surrounded on the west side believe that …their right by Mid City Stoners ,west side 18St,Playboys,Crazy Riders ,Drifters,Rockwood,Temple st,Dead End Harpys,Easy Riders Surenos,Orphans Gang ,Witmer st,Burlington st Locos,Wanderers ,varrio vista rifa …trust me MS is average run of the mill in Cali…..we face oppresion poverty an police brutality just like u we in the same boat…..so before u try an get lyve wit one of us remember some our from third world countries no burrough set hood ghetto slum is gonna phaze da homies ….just like cambodian trgs some of our people come from war torn countries so if u wanna test the waters an push that envelope to see if the homies are active u might end up active in ICU …..who does hit for cartels in the Arrellano family the San Diego foos an some L.A. cats ….who made Mongols motorcycle club big an force to be recond with the homies ……when mongols went at it with the hells angel they lost 3 wen they went at it with the homies they lost 20 something …..whoz the strongest prison gang ….its all negative i know but truth were savages who else but isis cutting off heads cartels …..its in our DNA were indigenous people who capture other tribes an usd the men of the rivals camp as game hunting kicked heads as soccer balls just like apacalypto…..we made pyramids only way we lost to spain was gun powder an disease with no vaccines we are a strong people period dot ….media calls us trash wen 7 states were ours we were robbed an sold str8 shanghied….if u call that manifest destination u condone Hitler smashing on france an poland cuz its the same thing….

  24. Thats history not incriminating no one so just like gay evilkirk says yea we elusive an shy of cameras the tap dancin u claim the homies doing kickn up feria an green backs to shot callers is called earners an tribute to upper echelons its organized crime unlike u guys u guys have a price tag to be on tv teaching kids all they can be is rapppers an basketball players …..u guys have sellouts in ur bloodline just like ur ancestors an forefathers sold u out in africa like what Farriqan did to Malcolm its in ur DNA ….

  25. First thing youll say is we dont let anyone tell us wat to do we are own man …hahahaha ok thats why u have no mob no organization anyone can run renegade rogue …they got shit on lock sewd up anyone can squeez a trigger i dont even need my eyes open …..knuckle up with 10 foos use a shank then u got heart

  26. I think the BLACKS and WHITE should have a race war and kill themselves off..

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